Angle Shoot Poker Term
2021年5月2日Register here: http://gg.gg/ugjh6
*Angle Shoot Poker Terms
*Angle Shoot Poker Term
I don’t see it enforced much, but Roberts Rules of Poker clearly say this is cheating, not an angle: Although verbal declarations as to the contents of a hand are not binding, deliberately miscalling a hand with the intent of causing another player to discard a winning hand is unethical and may result in forfeiture of the pot. Another type of angle shoot you will in online poker involves disconnecting. Many online poker sites have disconnect protection that will consider a disconnected player as “all-in” for the money they already have in the pot. Angle shooting in poker is defined as using unethical, intentionally deceptive tactics to take advantage of (usually more inexperienced) opponents. This is a discussion on Angle Shooting? Within the online poker forums, in the General Poker section; Since I play most of my games online, I was not really aware that angle shooting was even. Angle shooting is engaging in actions that may technically be within the scope of the rules of the game, but that are considered unethical or unfair to exploit or take advantage of another player. For example, an angle shooter might motion as if they were folding their hand to induce other players to fold theirs out of turn.
ContentsPatrick Leonard has been having himself one heck of a year in 2017.
The partypoker ambassador has been instrumental in reshaping the company’s rewards program (which has driven solid cash game traffic gains). He’s also been cleaning up at the poker tables and by all accounts, is staking all the right people.
But this past weekend Leonard was in the news for a different reason.
A clip emerged that seems to show Leonard shooting an angle during a major poker tournament.
The otherwise ordinary hand occurred during the bubble of the PokerStars Championship Barcelona Main Event and was captured on the live stream.
The video has caused quite a stir.
The poker community inevitably did its thing, d launched into a debate over whether or not Leonard’s words and subsequent actions constituted an angle-shot, and by-and-large concluded that what Leonard did is in fact an angle.
Do you think this was shooting an angle by @plenopads during Barcelona main event? https://t.co/OaWeIjr3Bt
— Daniel Negreanu (@RealKidPoker) August 25, 2017
But there is more to it than this. As with most things in poker, there’s a lot of gray in this situation, and I think it’s important to separate the action, and whether or not it’s acceptable, from Leonard’s intent.Let’s cut through the noise
When it comes to what Leonard said, there are a few things that people have brought up that are complete red herrings.
First, it doesn’t matter that the player didn’t muck his cards or make some other blunder.
Not every angle-shot is going to be successful. Anyone with a fair amount of live poker experience knows to keep your hand protected until your last opponent’s hand hits the muck and the dealer pushes you the pot. Angle-shooters are just hoping you don’t have experience.
Second, Leonard’s explanation of what was going through his head shouldn’t factor into whether we place his speech into the angle-shot category or not. The whole point of shooting an angle is to give yourself plausible deniability that something untoward occurred.
If this was a known angle-shooter, what Leonard did would 100 percent be seen as an angle. If this wasn’t Patrick Leonard this wouldn’t even be a discussion.
As New Jersey poker pro Mike Gagliano put it:
It’s 100% the definition of what an angle is.It’s gray area +someone who doesnt know every detail of rules may mis interpret to your benefit
— Gags30 (@Gags30poker) August 25, 2017
Just minutes from downtown Vancouver and one of only two places in B.C. To bet on live horse racing, Hastings Racecourse is a local landmark. Grab a bite, visit the gaming floor and go off to the races. PNE Gate 6 or 9, Vancouver, BC V5K 3N8. Mailing Address: 188 N. Renfrew St., Vancouver,BC V5K 3N8. Phone number: Main Line: 604 254 1631. Toll Free: 877 977 7702. HPI Phone Wagering: 1 888 675 2387 (BETS). Hastings Racecourse features a gaming floor with over 500 slot machines. For those seeking a unique Vancouver casino, Hastings Racecourse offers a great mix of live horse racing and casino slots. Sign up for a free Encore Rewards card today and start earning points while you play your favourite slot machines. Hastings park casino vancouver.Leonard’s explanation makes perfect sense
But as I said above, there is a difference between the act itself and the motive behind it.
Leonard provided a good synopsis of the hand from his perspective in a 15-minute video posted on YouTube.
In the video, Leonard admits he was in fact angling for information, but not for his opponent to make a huge mistake and muck his hand.
As Doug Polk said, angling for information is still in a gray area.
This video highlights not understanding the issue. It doesn’t matter how weak your hand is, saying ’you got it’ for reads in a hand isn’t ok https://t.co/2pkrYirSv5
— gN Doug Polk (@DougPolkPoker) August 27, 2017
In the end, Leonard realized he inadvertently stuck his toe over the line and said he would be more careful in the future to avoid blurring the line of acceptable speech play.
I think the admission by Leonard is important, and I think in this particular situation, we should take Leonard’s explanation and reputation into account when considering the underlying intent, as Leonard is not known for sketchy play, and has a good reputation.
Vanessa Selbst pointed out that for it to be a textbook angle-shot it needs to be intentionally scummy, which doesn’t seem to be the case here. But she also notes that even if it’s not intentional (and how are we supposed to know for sure other than taking the person at the word) it looks bad.
I’ve never seen anyone say ’you got it’ so authoritatively whilst not actually folding. I can see tons of ppl mucking/showing/reacting/etc.
— Vanessa Selbst (@VanessaSelbst) August 26, 2017 Royal ace casino bonus codes june 2020.
But what about other situations?
The problem is we can’t make the same reputation calculation for every player that finds themselves facing similar accusations.
Further, what he did could have led to his opponent mucking. Leonard assumed that wouldn’t happen, but I’ve seen crazier things happen at a poker table.
If his opponent did irretrievably pitch his cards into the muck and Leonard was awarded the pot, this situation would have been a lot worse and far more controversial.
I made that same comment on his video but in a much longer round about way lol. He went for info in a way the other player could have folded
— Chris Davies (@crdavies7) August 27, 2017A misdemeanor, but a dangerous precedent
On the angle-shooting scale of one-to-Ivan-Freitez, this ranks pretty low. It’s more in the faux pas category.
Tournament director Matt Savage summed it up best by saying that while he wouldn’t kill the hand or give a penalty, he would take the offending player aside to have a word.
Yes, his hand is still live and he can win the pot. I would have a conversation with that player though. Player B learns valuable lesson. https://t.co/e5DySSlqZS
— Matt Savage (@SavagePoker) August 25, 2017
I’m with Savage. It’s important to not overreact, but it’s also important to not tolerate vague language that can be easily misconstrued by inexperienced players.
Many really “good” people may say and do things that aren’t meant to be angle-shots, but that doesn’t mean what they did can’t also be used as an angle. So even if there wasn’t a malicious motive, the person needs to be told not to do it again.
As Chase Bianchi said, rules exist to prevent angles, even if the vast majority of the time it’s not used as an angle.
Absolutely. Similar to rules differing on subjects like talking about the contents of your hand. Most cases it’s not angle, yet rule exists.
— Chase Bianchi (@Chase_Bianchi) August 26, 2017Angle Shoot Poker TermsBottom line
This seems to be a case of a non-angle-shooter getting a little too carried away in his speech play for a hand. Nothing bad came of it. It also had the positive impact of causing him to reexamine what he says in a similar situation in the future.
However, we have to draw attention to it and explain why it’s not acceptable. If we don’t, the next time we see this play it might be someone with less virtue pulling it against a recreational player in a cash game at Aria, the Commerce, or Foxwoods.Angle Shoot Poker Term
Leonard may be an all-around good guy with no malintent, but if we classify his speech as acceptable and just part of the game, other people who are more ethically challenged will begin adding it to their repertoires and tweaking it to make it an even more malicious play.
So here I am in Cyprus adjusting to the ten hour time difference between LA/Vegas and I’m catching up on the action at PCA and came across a video update with Daniel Negreanu where he is playing a hand against an opponent and they are on the river. Here is the link, watch it for yourself before you read any further:
http://www.cardplayer.com/cptv/channels/13-other-poker-videos/poker-videos/3964-2010-pokerstars-caribbean-adventure-negreanu-calls-floor
I am going to go out on a limb here and say Negreanu has to know the rules of poker by now. So when he raises his opponent’s river bet and his opponent thinks it was a call and begins to roll over his hand, he knows full well that it doesn’t stop the action. It may result in a warning or penalty, but the hand is not over. In fact Negreanu has the advantage because he has seen part of his opponent’s hand. Then at the end of the video Negreanu say’s “I wasn’t going to call anyway,” yeah right! The whole thing, calling the floor after he saw part of the hand was an attempt to see if his straight was good and decide if his opponent had aces up or a full house. It was a terrible decision by the floor person, clearly being pressured by Negreanu. Kind of interesting that he is helping roll out a new poker tour as an “ambassador” of PS, and he muscles the floor guy, who you can see has a PS logo on his shirt, I was truly shocked buy the whole episode. Let me know what you think.
Register here: http://gg.gg/ugjh6
https://diarynote.indered.space
*Angle Shoot Poker Terms
*Angle Shoot Poker Term
I don’t see it enforced much, but Roberts Rules of Poker clearly say this is cheating, not an angle: Although verbal declarations as to the contents of a hand are not binding, deliberately miscalling a hand with the intent of causing another player to discard a winning hand is unethical and may result in forfeiture of the pot. Another type of angle shoot you will in online poker involves disconnecting. Many online poker sites have disconnect protection that will consider a disconnected player as “all-in” for the money they already have in the pot. Angle shooting in poker is defined as using unethical, intentionally deceptive tactics to take advantage of (usually more inexperienced) opponents. This is a discussion on Angle Shooting? Within the online poker forums, in the General Poker section; Since I play most of my games online, I was not really aware that angle shooting was even. Angle shooting is engaging in actions that may technically be within the scope of the rules of the game, but that are considered unethical or unfair to exploit or take advantage of another player. For example, an angle shooter might motion as if they were folding their hand to induce other players to fold theirs out of turn.
ContentsPatrick Leonard has been having himself one heck of a year in 2017.
The partypoker ambassador has been instrumental in reshaping the company’s rewards program (which has driven solid cash game traffic gains). He’s also been cleaning up at the poker tables and by all accounts, is staking all the right people.
But this past weekend Leonard was in the news for a different reason.
A clip emerged that seems to show Leonard shooting an angle during a major poker tournament.
The otherwise ordinary hand occurred during the bubble of the PokerStars Championship Barcelona Main Event and was captured on the live stream.
The video has caused quite a stir.
The poker community inevitably did its thing, d launched into a debate over whether or not Leonard’s words and subsequent actions constituted an angle-shot, and by-and-large concluded that what Leonard did is in fact an angle.
Do you think this was shooting an angle by @plenopads during Barcelona main event? https://t.co/OaWeIjr3Bt
— Daniel Negreanu (@RealKidPoker) August 25, 2017
But there is more to it than this. As with most things in poker, there’s a lot of gray in this situation, and I think it’s important to separate the action, and whether or not it’s acceptable, from Leonard’s intent.Let’s cut through the noise
When it comes to what Leonard said, there are a few things that people have brought up that are complete red herrings.
First, it doesn’t matter that the player didn’t muck his cards or make some other blunder.
Not every angle-shot is going to be successful. Anyone with a fair amount of live poker experience knows to keep your hand protected until your last opponent’s hand hits the muck and the dealer pushes you the pot. Angle-shooters are just hoping you don’t have experience.
Second, Leonard’s explanation of what was going through his head shouldn’t factor into whether we place his speech into the angle-shot category or not. The whole point of shooting an angle is to give yourself plausible deniability that something untoward occurred.
If this was a known angle-shooter, what Leonard did would 100 percent be seen as an angle. If this wasn’t Patrick Leonard this wouldn’t even be a discussion.
As New Jersey poker pro Mike Gagliano put it:
It’s 100% the definition of what an angle is.It’s gray area +someone who doesnt know every detail of rules may mis interpret to your benefit
— Gags30 (@Gags30poker) August 25, 2017
Just minutes from downtown Vancouver and one of only two places in B.C. To bet on live horse racing, Hastings Racecourse is a local landmark. Grab a bite, visit the gaming floor and go off to the races. PNE Gate 6 or 9, Vancouver, BC V5K 3N8. Mailing Address: 188 N. Renfrew St., Vancouver,BC V5K 3N8. Phone number: Main Line: 604 254 1631. Toll Free: 877 977 7702. HPI Phone Wagering: 1 888 675 2387 (BETS). Hastings Racecourse features a gaming floor with over 500 slot machines. For those seeking a unique Vancouver casino, Hastings Racecourse offers a great mix of live horse racing and casino slots. Sign up for a free Encore Rewards card today and start earning points while you play your favourite slot machines. Hastings park casino vancouver.Leonard’s explanation makes perfect sense
But as I said above, there is a difference between the act itself and the motive behind it.
Leonard provided a good synopsis of the hand from his perspective in a 15-minute video posted on YouTube.
In the video, Leonard admits he was in fact angling for information, but not for his opponent to make a huge mistake and muck his hand.
As Doug Polk said, angling for information is still in a gray area.
This video highlights not understanding the issue. It doesn’t matter how weak your hand is, saying ’you got it’ for reads in a hand isn’t ok https://t.co/2pkrYirSv5
— gN Doug Polk (@DougPolkPoker) August 27, 2017
In the end, Leonard realized he inadvertently stuck his toe over the line and said he would be more careful in the future to avoid blurring the line of acceptable speech play.
I think the admission by Leonard is important, and I think in this particular situation, we should take Leonard’s explanation and reputation into account when considering the underlying intent, as Leonard is not known for sketchy play, and has a good reputation.
Vanessa Selbst pointed out that for it to be a textbook angle-shot it needs to be intentionally scummy, which doesn’t seem to be the case here. But she also notes that even if it’s not intentional (and how are we supposed to know for sure other than taking the person at the word) it looks bad.
I’ve never seen anyone say ’you got it’ so authoritatively whilst not actually folding. I can see tons of ppl mucking/showing/reacting/etc.
— Vanessa Selbst (@VanessaSelbst) August 26, 2017 Royal ace casino bonus codes june 2020.
But what about other situations?
The problem is we can’t make the same reputation calculation for every player that finds themselves facing similar accusations.
Further, what he did could have led to his opponent mucking. Leonard assumed that wouldn’t happen, but I’ve seen crazier things happen at a poker table.
If his opponent did irretrievably pitch his cards into the muck and Leonard was awarded the pot, this situation would have been a lot worse and far more controversial.
I made that same comment on his video but in a much longer round about way lol. He went for info in a way the other player could have folded
— Chris Davies (@crdavies7) August 27, 2017A misdemeanor, but a dangerous precedent
On the angle-shooting scale of one-to-Ivan-Freitez, this ranks pretty low. It’s more in the faux pas category.
Tournament director Matt Savage summed it up best by saying that while he wouldn’t kill the hand or give a penalty, he would take the offending player aside to have a word.
Yes, his hand is still live and he can win the pot. I would have a conversation with that player though. Player B learns valuable lesson. https://t.co/e5DySSlqZS
— Matt Savage (@SavagePoker) August 25, 2017
I’m with Savage. It’s important to not overreact, but it’s also important to not tolerate vague language that can be easily misconstrued by inexperienced players.
Many really “good” people may say and do things that aren’t meant to be angle-shots, but that doesn’t mean what they did can’t also be used as an angle. So even if there wasn’t a malicious motive, the person needs to be told not to do it again.
As Chase Bianchi said, rules exist to prevent angles, even if the vast majority of the time it’s not used as an angle.
Absolutely. Similar to rules differing on subjects like talking about the contents of your hand. Most cases it’s not angle, yet rule exists.
— Chase Bianchi (@Chase_Bianchi) August 26, 2017Angle Shoot Poker TermsBottom line
This seems to be a case of a non-angle-shooter getting a little too carried away in his speech play for a hand. Nothing bad came of it. It also had the positive impact of causing him to reexamine what he says in a similar situation in the future.
However, we have to draw attention to it and explain why it’s not acceptable. If we don’t, the next time we see this play it might be someone with less virtue pulling it against a recreational player in a cash game at Aria, the Commerce, or Foxwoods.Angle Shoot Poker Term
Leonard may be an all-around good guy with no malintent, but if we classify his speech as acceptable and just part of the game, other people who are more ethically challenged will begin adding it to their repertoires and tweaking it to make it an even more malicious play.
So here I am in Cyprus adjusting to the ten hour time difference between LA/Vegas and I’m catching up on the action at PCA and came across a video update with Daniel Negreanu where he is playing a hand against an opponent and they are on the river. Here is the link, watch it for yourself before you read any further:
http://www.cardplayer.com/cptv/channels/13-other-poker-videos/poker-videos/3964-2010-pokerstars-caribbean-adventure-negreanu-calls-floor
I am going to go out on a limb here and say Negreanu has to know the rules of poker by now. So when he raises his opponent’s river bet and his opponent thinks it was a call and begins to roll over his hand, he knows full well that it doesn’t stop the action. It may result in a warning or penalty, but the hand is not over. In fact Negreanu has the advantage because he has seen part of his opponent’s hand. Then at the end of the video Negreanu say’s “I wasn’t going to call anyway,” yeah right! The whole thing, calling the floor after he saw part of the hand was an attempt to see if his straight was good and decide if his opponent had aces up or a full house. It was a terrible decision by the floor person, clearly being pressured by Negreanu. Kind of interesting that he is helping roll out a new poker tour as an “ambassador” of PS, and he muscles the floor guy, who you can see has a PS logo on his shirt, I was truly shocked buy the whole episode. Let me know what you think.
Register here: http://gg.gg/ugjh6
https://diarynote.indered.space
コメント